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A |     Russia is represented by a diplomatic delegation led by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. According to Lyudmila Vorobieva, Russia’s ambassador to the Southeast Asian nation, so far Indonesia has been successful in creating a platform for inclusive dialogue within the G20.,Sputnik: There have been calls from the West to ban Russia from the G20 because of Moscow’s special military operation in Ukraine, but Indonesian officials have underlined that Russia is still welcome to participate in the Group of Twenty meetings, which have been going on since the beginning of the year, and the summit scheduled for November. How important is the G20 for Indonesia, and what is the atmosphere like at the meetings?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: Of course, the G20 presidency is important for Indonesia as it's raising the profile of Indonesia, which actually is one of the leading countries in the Muslim world, and a former APEC leader. And now Indonesia is chairing the G20. And it's very important that Indonesia is making the voice of developing countries heard in the G20, and in the world, and representing the interests of the developing countries. And from the very beginning, our country has supported the Indonesian G20 presidency and the priorities that have been identified by Indonesia, which are very relevant to the global economic and financial situation. We appreciate the position of the Indonesian government that it is a forum that should be inclusive and that should concentrate on the economic and financial agenda and not drag in political issues that are divisive. So far the Indonesian presidency has been successful. There have been a lot of meetings already in different areas and Russia has been participating actively in these meetings, and that's our intention so far.,Sputnik: Moscow is very far away from Jakarta, but there are at least a few local NGOs that are friendly towards Russia. Some of them, such as the Gagarin Regiment and the Asian African Youth Government, openly express support for Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine. Why is that?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: What we see here in Indonesia is that according to the polls, 80% of the population of Indonesia support Russia. There is a trend in the social media that people use “ura” (Russian war cry – Sputnik Ed.) to express their support for Russia. There are several reasons for that. First of all, of course, there are some anti-Western feelings, and anti-colonial feelings as well. The colonial past of Indonesia is still quite fresh in the memory of people and the atrocities committed by the Dutch colonizers are also quite fresh in the memories and in the hearts of Indonesian people. The second reason, I would say, is the personal popularity of our president here. President Putin is a leader that many Indonesians admire and would like to see him visiting Indonesia in the near future. And the third reason, I would say, is that Indonesians are aware that Russia has a big Muslim population, which are not immigrants - they are people who have been living in Russia for centuries, and they support the policy of President Putin. So, the combination of these reasons influenced the feelings of Indonesians towards Russia, and towards what we are doing in Ukraine.,Sputnik: Indonesia is a nation that has chosen an independent approach to the issue of sanctioning Russia by refusing to follow orders from Western countries. What are the areas in which Moscow and Jakarta cooperate economically, and which projects might we see developing in the near future?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: Last year, we saw more than 40% growth in trade turnover between Russia and Indonesia. And this year the trend is also very positive, with growth of more than 60%. Of course, it is not enough, we can do much more. But if the trend continues, we will reach five billion US dollars in trade turnover by the end of this year. This target was set by our presidents when they met in Sochi in 2016. We have joint investment projects. We can do much more, but that has been successfully going on. One of the projects is the construction of an oil refinery in Java, exploration and exploitation of oil and gas fields. There are success stories, such as an IT company that operates online service called Taxi Maxim in Indonesia, covering more than 60 cities in Indonesia. We are also discussing with our Indonesian partners more projects in energy, in shipbuilding, aircraft building, IT, pharmaceuticals, health care, and many others.,Indonesian NGO Head Backs Russia’s G20 Participation, President Putin’s Attendance at Bali Summit28 May, 09:03 GMT,Sputnik: At the end of June, when Indonesian leader Joko Widodo visited Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that there is a possibility of Indonesia developing relations with the Eurasian Economic Union – an economic bloc which consists of Russia, Uzbekistan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and several other nations which represent Europe and Asia. Are there any concrete details on how Jakarta reacted to this proposal?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: Well, absolutely. It's a process that has already been going on. In 2018, the Indonesian government signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Eurasian Commission on cooperation. We established a working group to explore the possibility of entering negotiations on a free trade agreement. The result was positive and we hope that by the end of the year we will start the negotiation process on establishing a free trade zone between the Eurasian Economic Union and Indonesia.。    政府积极推动减钠运动，率先向小贩分发低钠盐加强宣导，希望更多小贩转用低钠替代品。受访小贩表示，低钠盐价格较高，希望可获津贴购买低钠盐。陈振益在文礼坊熟食中心售卖鸡饭，他已试用低钠盐，觉得味道没有差别，不过成本考量还是重点。陈振益说：“味道应该是一样只是少钠而已嘛，经济考量啦说真的，如果价钱一样当然用比较健康的。”售卖虾面的卢伟宏说，平均一个星期使用六公斤的盐，每公斤约0.50元，如果使用低钠盐，估计一周成本提高约30多元。

B | 卢伟宏称：“价格方面也是有些偏高，主食的味道还在那边，这个只是一个调味。

C | ”全国商联总会小贩组组长刘福记说：“很多小贩们都不知道（低钠盐），所以有这样的一个推广，也提高大家的意识，现在的人我发现越来越注重健康，相信他们（摊贩)也慢慢地会逐步地改变这些思维方式。”在中峇鲁熟食中心售卖菜头粿的巫奕明支持使用低钠盐，并认为主要看顾客的接受度。

D | “顾客们适应就没问题，我们也希望顾客吃得比较健康，因为我没有用很多（盐），所以成本应该没有增加很多。

E | ”售卖印度香饭的沙扎因也使用低钠盐来替代普通食盐。“这个低钠盐不错我们确实可以用，不过一般的盐三公斤，3元这个比较贵一点。”中峇鲁商联会主席卢德盛说：“要鼓励小贩们用这种低钠盐，我想政府应该有一些津贴，好像一个月多少看他们的用量了，这样小贩们才会响应这个活动不然他们的成本无形中会提高，他们的盈利就会减少。

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